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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, November 2 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1296<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Niven Books<BR>
Re: Ganging up on the Imperium<BR>
Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: CT Fighting Ships<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Re: Test <BR>
Re: Re Aslan<BR>
Re: Stupid questions<BR>
RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: Test <BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
Feudal Technocracy (was: Stupid questions)<BR>
RE: Correlations<BR>
Sending Coke overseas (Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...)<BR>
[OT] Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:20:38 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Niven Books<BR>
<BR>
Hi All. (warning, mild spoilers ahead, if you don't want to know anything<BR>
about "Destiny's Road", don't read the rest). <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Regarding "Destiny's Road" and "The State", I'm quite certain they're in<BR>
the same universe.  The thing that makes me think so is that they mention<BR>
"proles" and "citizens" (in passing, but still) in DR.  Also, they have<BR>
the whole discussion about "Hydraulic Empires" in it, which was also in<BR>
AWooT.  I don't recall similar concepts in "Legacy of Herot" (sp?) so I<BR>
suspect that's a different universe.<BR>
<BR>
Note that DR was started several years ago by Niven and only completed<BR>
recently (He's said something about "The State" being depressing, so maybe<BR>
that blocked him :-) . I'm not sure about the dates, but that may put its<BR>
original conception in the pre-LoH era.  Also, DR is written by Niven<BR>
alone, not in collaboration with Pournelle or Barnes. <BR>
<BR>
Charles C.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:37:23 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Ganging up on the Imperium<BR>
<BR>
	I think the idea of every major power joining in an attack on the<BR>
Imperium is a cool idea.  I'm not sure I see them as joining forces in any<BR>
overt way, but certainly people might "jump on the bandwagon" once the 3I<BR>
showed weakness.  Personally I think this would quickly result in the<BR>
decimation of the 3I as they would be fighting wars on too many fronts. <BR>
	I could see the K'Kree starting the whole thing simply because<BR>
they decide they want to "wipe out the f***ing meat eaters".  Vargr bands<BR>
might take this as a good time to do some land grabs.  With forces being<BR>
drained away to deal with these problems, the Zhos might see an<BR>
opportunity to push the "expansionistic pluralists" back to Corridor and<BR>
the Sols might see a chance to regain Terra.  Aslan Ihatei are already<BR>
pestering the rimward Marches, they might start making incursions<BR>
elsewhere if Imp forces got weak enough.  The Hivers would definately not<BR>
join in, IMO.  They might in fact help the 3I in their own particularly<BR>
subtle ways... :-)<BR>
<BR>
	This all stretches socio-economic realism, mind you.  But my<BR>
general advice is: Don't let excessive realism stand in the way of<BR>
excessive coolness.  Epic grandeur generally requires stretching reality a<BR>
bit. <BR>
<BR>
	I've always thought a Sixth Frontier War would be cool, with the<BR>
Ihatei joining Zho, Vargr and Sword Worlds forces.  That would be a pretty<BR>
tough bind for the Marches, IMO.<BR>
<BR>
Have a good one,<BR>
Charles C.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:16:11 -0600<BR>
From: Kenneth Bearden -- Walker Jane Productions <dreamer@brokersys.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
<BR>
Steven Bonneville wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > Scangen       2937 B88557A-C    Ni As              224 Vk<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Subsector P-Firgr  and Vk is Commonality of Kedzudh<BR>
><BR>
> I think that was an arbitrary, non-canon placement by Roger Myhre for his<BR>
> Gvurrdon work for HIWG.  I've never been convinced by it.<BR>
<BR>
The official Scangen placement is detailed in DGP's Vargr&Vilani alien book.  The<BR>
above placement does sound correct, according to the DGP placement (who made<BR>
beautiful Traveller maps, covering the entire Imperium, with exact star placement).<BR>
<BR>
Scangen is in the Commonality of Kedzudh, and I do remember that it is in the Firgr<BR>
subsector, directly coreward from the Aramis subsector.  Hex number 2937 sounds<BR>
right to me, because I remember looking this planet up for Gvoudzon, the Vargr<BR>
character in the Traveller Adventure (I used the planet as part of his background<BR>
when we played that campaign).<BR>
<BR>
I would look it up for you, but my Trav stuff is boxed up, at the bottom of a<BR>
closet, with several boxes laid on top--and I'm not sure which of the four Trav<BR>
boxes I have include that alien module.<BR>
<BR>
But, as I said, that placement listed above does seem correct.  I remember Scangen<BR>
being just over the Imperial border, in Vargr space, and very close to the Spinward<BR>
end of the Gvurrdon Sector.<BR>
<BR>
It's really not too far from the Aramis subsector at all.<BR>
<BR>
Not exactly what you wanted, but I hope it helps.<BR>
<BR>
Kenneth.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:13:37 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
>A move to 98 might help (then again, it might hurt...)  Most people I've<BR>
>spoken to have gotten better system performance, especially on higher end<BR>
>machines from 98.  OTOH, some people (especially those lacking memory/HD<BR>
>space) got terrible results.... I've been using 98 for a while now and<BR>
>prefer it to 95.<BR>
<BR>
I appreciate the advice, but frankly I've heard such horror stories about<BR>
Win98 that I won't go near it.  I could have gotten it for my Dell system<BR>
but I practically begged them for Windows 95 (with which I am very<BR>
familiar).  I use Powerdesk98 for some of the things 98 gives you but with a<BR>
lot less overhead.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:26:48 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
<BR>
> Violence is a part of the human nature.  I believe that by censoring it<BR>
> you drive it into the underground where it can only come out even worse.<BR>
> I'm not willing to do that even for one day.  I'm tired of the notion that<BR>
> we can improve ourselves by cutting off bits.  Violence is necessary, it<BR>
> is what impels us to defend our loved ones and family and selves when<BR>
> required.  I am not anti-violence.  I am against the misuse of violence,<BR>
> but I will never become the sort of person that is so against violence<BR>
> that they'd allow their spouse to be raped, for example, rather than<BR>
> fight.  Violent movies, for the most part, celebrate heroism-- the person<BR>
> who endures violence in order to defend or help others.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri,<BR>
<BR>
Beautifully spoken, and very Heinlein-esque.  Reminds me of several <BR>
of the discourses on violence in Starship Troopers, actually.  May I <BR>
quote this to a few friends who would appreciate your stance and your <BR>
presentation?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Jason<BR>
<BR>
=============================<BR>
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(512)458-7111 ext. 3375<BR>
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Internet Address: jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:36:19 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Jason Kemp wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
> <BR>
> > Violence is a part of the human nature.  I believe that by censoring it<BR>
> > you drive it into the underground where it can only come out even worse.<BR>
> > I'm not willing to do that even for one day.  I'm tired of the notion that<BR>
> > we can improve ourselves by cutting off bits.  Violence is necessary, it<BR>
> > is what impels us to defend our loved ones and family and selves when<BR>
> > required.  I am not anti-violence.  I am against the misuse of violence,<BR>
> > but I will never become the sort of person that is so against violence<BR>
> > that they'd allow their spouse to be raped, for example, rather than<BR>
> > fight.  Violent movies, for the most part, celebrate heroism-- the person<BR>
> > who endures violence in order to defend or help others.<BR>
> <BR>
> Beautifully spoken, and very Heinlein-esque.  Reminds me of several <BR>
> of the discourses on violence in Starship Troopers, actually.  May I <BR>
> quote this to a few friends who would appreciate your stance and your <BR>
> presentation?<BR>
> <BR>
Sure.  Would you have guessed that I'm a Heinlein fan?  ^_^<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
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If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:51:19 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: CT Fighting Ships<BR>
<BR>
Thanks to everyone who contacted me.  I've got the scans I needed.  As <BR>
always, the TML is a great resource and a great group of people.<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:55:14 -0500<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
At 04:03 PM 11/1/99 +1000, The Roc wrote [in his very condensed style:)]:<BR>
<BR>
>----- Original Message -----<BR>
>From: Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
> > On 30 Oct 99, at 12:50, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > I think there's a high level of social control in AMERICA.  Total<BR>
> > > strangers will come up to you and tell you that you shouldn't smoke,<BR>
> > > you're too fat to eat this or that, God help you if you're pregnant and<BR>
> > > People walk right up to you and ask you to change your religion, and<BR>
> > > they're not respectful about it either.  I've been asked really rude<BR>
> > > questions by people I had never seen before about pentacles, prayer<BR>
> > This makes me feel that there are more good points to New Zealand than<BR>
> > I realised - aside from a very few anti-abortionists outside clinics<BR>
>And Australia... we are pretty laid back out here compared.  And the women<BR>
<BR>
I've been staying out of the voluminous [OT] threads that have been floating<BR>
around, but I just have to add<BR>
<BR>
And New York City. People are just a little standoffish here. This is<BR>
sometimes misinterpreted as rudeness, but when you are somewhere where some<BR>
people won't shake your hand for religious reasons, half the people have<BR>
foreign accents, your upstairs neighbor comes home at midnight with big<BR>
stiletto heels on (at least that's what it sounds like) and tourists take<BR>
pictures of the entrance to your building you have to build up some sort of<BR>
barrier.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: The culture of the large economic hubs of the empire appears very<BR>
cold and bureaucratic, (typical Vilani), but many smaller worlds/cities/<BR>
away from starports people will either be _too_ helpful to the PCs (sounds<BR>
nice at first) or snub them for incorrect ear shape, hair color, fingernail<BR>
length...<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
I just can't think of a good signature for this...<BR>
Rob Brady                                robb at datatone<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:58:16 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, The Roc wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> And Australia... we are pretty laid back out here compared.  And the women<BR>
> from Utah that stayed with us for 3-weeks loved our Coke-a-Cola made with<BR>
> *real* sugar (as opposed to corn syrup?)... Oh, and that lamb chops were<BR>
> cheap enough to eat every night if they wanted!!!!  Talk about an<BR>
> eye-opener... little things like that...<BR>
> <BR>
How much does it cost to ship Coke overseas?  I am dreadfully allergic to<BR>
corn, and yes, that is what is in Coca-Cola here.  (I love lamb chops, and<BR>
Australia is how close to Japan?  Hmmm.... wonder if Hiroshi could be<BR>
persuaded to do music promotions in Australia.  Probably not, sigh.)<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:00:08 -0500<BR>
From: worj <worj@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Test <BR>
<BR>
I got it...  So - you're at home, too?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
At 11:04 AM 11/02/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> > Test<BR>
> ><BR>
> > My e-mail account with @home some how got dumped and I've been told it<BR>
> > should work now.<BR>
><BR>
>You get my latest email to you?  It didn't bounce back...<BR>
><BR>
>Keven<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:02:05 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Aslan<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, William F. Hostman wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> No, since, for the most part, only first sons will be breeders anyway...<BR>
> And remember, Aslan are Polygamous, not polyandrous (Multiple wives, fine,<BR>
> Multiple Husbands, no)... so those with the land get to breed, as they can<BR>
> afford to support a wife. At least pre-space. Then, consider that the birth<BR>
> rate is supposedly something like 5:2 Female to Male, and typical<BR>
> landowners will begat 1-3 children on each of 1-4 wives, and you have a<BR>
> sudden population problem.<BR>
> <BR>
This does NOT make sense.  How do you get 4 wives in a society with 5<BR>
females to every 2 males?  I realize that not everyone can afford to marry<BR>
and have children, but I bet prostitution is a really brisk business--<BR>
unless the females go into heat, and males aren't bothered without the<BR>
olfactory cues!<BR>
<BR>
> Think (based upon the early Contact! article in JTAS) of Aslan Honor much<BR>
> like Feudal Japanese Honor, as portrayed in literature...<BR>
> 	Insult the man, he seeks revenge.<BR>
> 	Insult the family, the whole Family seeks revenge<BR>
> 	Insult the Daimyo, and flee his wrath.<BR>
> 	Insult the Emperor, Prepare for war.<BR>
> 	Insult a man's representative, and you have insulted<BR>
> 		the man himself as well.<BR>
> <BR>
Heheheheheheh.  My boyfriend's family used to be samurai.  Interesting<BR>
lot, they are.  Don't mess with them even today.  I always feel cozy and<BR>
safe with him.  But I pity any baka that messes with us.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:08:02 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: Steven Bonneville <bonnevil@ima.umn.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Stupid questions<BR>
<BR>
Timothy Collinson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> My apologies if this is a stupid question.  I must be good at them.  I just<BR>
> had my 15 seconds of fame last Thursday when I appeared (very briefly) on<BR>
> the BBC's _Question Time_.  They had just spent 10 minutes debating the<BR>
> issue of our House of Lords being radically changed.<BR>
><BR>
> One lot were arguing that it should be appointed (by the House of Commons -<BR>
> the 'main' half of the UK parliament); the other lot were arguing that it<BR>
> should be by election.  (Some were arguing for a bit of both).<BR>
><BR>
> Right at the end of this segment before the 'referee' David Dimbleby moved<BR>
> onto another topic entirely, I couldn't resist putting my hand up.  Maybe<BR>
> I've been too long on the Traveller Mailing List but I thought there were<BR>
> other options.  I asked why no one seemed to be considering competition<BR>
> (e.g. a group of sportsmen selected by athleticism; exams for academics; a<BR>
> group of clergy....) or by lottery?  I've never heard the media or anyone<BR>
> put forward anything like this, so what am I missing?  Why is this not<BR>
> being considered?  Is it somehow a 'stupid' idea?<BR>
<BR>
I've thought this whole House of Lords thing sounded like great fodder for<BR>
a Regency-era campaign, where the nobility are losing many traditional perks<BR>
and powers.  For instance, the whole bit where the peers were allowed to <BR>
write a 75 word essay on why they should be allowed to continue serving!  <BR>
<BR>
It's an interesting story.  Not much air time in the States, though.<BR>
<BR>
  -- Steve Bonneville<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:08:22 -0600 <BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> <BR>
> >Like I said, I'm not sure.  I know for instance that I can't <BR>
> go to Nevada<BR>
> >and pick up a mil-style semi auto and import it into CA <BR>
> since CA is so<BR>
> >uptight about said weapons type. <BR>
> <BR>
> Maybe not legally, but if you got it into your head to go to Nevada,<BR>
> buy a semi-auto gun, and bring it back home to California, what could<BR>
> possibly stop you? <BR>
<BR>
Per federal law, you are not allowed to purchase handguns outside your state<BR>
of residence.  You are allowed to purchase longguns and shotguns, but the<BR>
laws of both states (the state where the purchase is and the state of the<BR>
purchasers residence) must be followed.<BR>
<BR>
> Sure, if/when you finally decided to use it you'd <BR>
> get your butt nailed to the wall on the weapons offence, but <BR>
> that would<BR>
> be after the fact. That's why gun laws at anything less than <BR>
> a national<BR>
> level are doomed to failure.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, even national laws are doomed to failure if enough people act<BR>
against it.  How many illegal drugs are imported into Canada?  Remember<BR>
Prohibition?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  How does the Imperium enforce its (presumably) few trade regs?<BR>
Does the Imperium inspect each starship as it arrives/departs a planet, or<BR>
does planetary officials do it?  Do planetary officials have any power to<BR>
inspect any ship that only lands in the main starport and never leaves the<BR>
extra-territoriality zone?<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:14:59 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
At 10:13 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>I appreciate the advice, but frankly I've heard such horror stories about<BR>
>Win98 that I won't go near it.  I could have gotten it for my Dell system<BR>
>but I practically begged them for Windows 95 (with which I am very<BR>
>familiar).  I use Powerdesk98 for some of the things 98 gives you but with a<BR>
>lot less overhead.<BR>
<BR>
Whatever man, your choice....   I've had nothing but good luck with it...<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
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                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:11:48 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
At 07:10 AM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
> > Been reading Cyberpunk/Shadowrun have you?  They both have similar<BR>
> > styles of 'Health Insurance'.<BR>
><BR>
>I'm not familar with those games. It reminds *me* of Car Wars and their<BR>
>"Gold Cross" insurance. Of course, they've got cloning tech and memory<BR>
>backups.<BR>
<BR>
Mmm... Platinum level DocWagon....  By far the best thing to spent money on <BR>
as a shadowrunner....<BR>
<BR>
For those that don't know Shadowrun, it's (IMHO) an awesome game world with <BR>
terrible rule mechanics.  My gaming group is seriously considering playing <BR>
SR with GURPS rules.....<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:19:50 -0500<BR>
From: worj <worj@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Test <BR>
<BR>
Apologies all!  I wasn't looking and didn't realize this had gone list-wide!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
At 12:00 PM 11/02/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>I got it...  So - you're at home, too?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>At 11:04 AM 11/02/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>> > Test<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > My e-mail account with @home some how got dumped and I've been told it<BR>
>> > should work now.<BR>
>><BR>
>>You get my latest email to you?  It didn't bounce back...<BR>
>><BR>
>>Keven<BR>
>><BR>
>>--<BR>
>>tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>
>>----<BR>
>>                                                      Science-Fiction <BR>
>> Adventure<BR>
>>                                                      In Reavers' Deep<BR>
><BR>
>Bill Rutherford<BR>
><BR>
>Please note that my NEW email address is:<BR>
>worj@home.com<BR>
<BR>
Bill Rutherford<BR>
<BR>
Please note that my NEW email address is:<BR>
worj@home.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:19:05 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
At 11:55 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>And New York City. People are just a little standoffish here. This is<BR>
>sometimes misinterpreted as rudeness, but when you are somewhere where some<BR>
>people won't shake your hand for religious reasons, half the people have<BR>
>foreign accents, your upstairs neighbor comes home at midnight with big<BR>
>stiletto heels on (at least that's what it sounds like) and tourists take<BR>
>pictures of the entrance to your building you have to build up some sort of<BR>
>barrier.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, in my experience that characterization of NYC has been gradually <BR>
receding.  While this description was certainly true of New York in the <BR>
'80s, more recently, as the crime rate went down, I find NYC to be a much <BR>
nicer place and people to be much friendlier and more helpful.  At least <BR>
this is true for the parts of NYC where I tend to go (mid- and down-town <BR>
Manhattan).  There are still any number of places I won't ever go to....<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:26:45 +0000<BR>
From: Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk<BR>
Subject: Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
<BR>
>The top judges, clerics, industrialists, civil servants, politicians,<BR>
>actors, unionists, etc are given life peerages.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I can't say I'm up on the subject but I think they're only (currently)<BR>
considering getting rid of the hereditary peers.  i.e. the life peers will<BR>
stay for a bit.  (Life?)<BR>
<BR>
In fact, they've even wimped out of getting rid of all the hereditaries by<BR>
saying that a certain (small) number of them can stay while they work out a<BR>
better system.  Each of them have to 'campaign' in a statement of no more<BR>
than 75 words that say why they should be allowed to stay.  All the<BR>
hereditaries (I think) will then vote on who gets to stay.   (Ironically<BR>
democratic for them.)  The statements apparently range from the intensely<BR>
political, to the lady who says she should stay because she brings flowers<BR>
each day and brightens up the house, to those who won't write a statement<BR>
because they disagree with the process.<BR>
<BR>
OB TRAV: Write a 75 statement for the main participants of the rebellion as<BR>
to why they should be Emperor.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Too many politicians, perhaps...<BR>
<BR>
>* There are of course no stupid questions, you just asked about the<BR>
emperor's<BR>
>  new clothes.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Thank you for the encouragement!  I was beginning to wonder.  I guess it<BR>
all boils down to the destruction of a TV idol's godlike image!  (If<BR>
nothing else Mr. Dimbleby was much shorter than I imagined when I tripped<BR>
over him in the corridor before the show.)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
OB TRAV II: Would Strephon be recognized out on the 'streets' of the<BR>
Imperium?<BR>
<BR>
tc<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:35:36 -0500<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
Subject: Feudal Technocracy (was: Stupid questions)<BR>
<BR>
At 02:14 PM 11/2/99 +0000, Trevor, Peter wrote:<BR>
>Timothy Collinson wrote:<BR>
> > Mailing List but I thought there were other options.  I asked<BR>
> > why no one seemed to be considering competition (e.g. a group<BR>
> > of sportsmen selected by athleticism; exams for academics; a<BR>
> > group of clergy....) or by lottery?  I've never heard the media<BR>
><BR>
>Ah, my old favorite: the Feudal Technocracy (sort of).<BR>
This is very close to my favorite Feudal Technocracy (though, yes, I<BR>
know there can be many others). I picture the something like the Nobel<BR>
Laureates being the Senate, and creating new positions when they become<BR>
necessary. What follows is a small out take from the news service of<BR>
a feudal technocracy on a balkanized world which has just discovered<BR>
the jump drive. The feudal technocracy, following the rules as I read<BR>
them, is one tech level above the TL8 of the other two governments on<BR>
the world.<BR>
<BR>
1043/167: Future Lead Archeologist post hotly debated<BR>
      Lauk Gasoy was thought to be a sure next choice for Lead Archeologist,<BR>
but it seems that once again political considerations loom above scientific<BR>
expertise. Gasoy became well known to the public a few years ago after<BR>
proving his theories about the Sohogu Empire with key excavations in the<BR>
Muboz Mountains. While Aprio has long held that scientific acumen is the<BR>
only requirement for peerage in the Council, it appears that several other <BR>
Lead Scientists have taken affront to recent public comments made by Gasoy,<BR>
and this may jeopardize his chances for peerage.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Tardy robber.. Order By Brat.. Tardy Bob ERR.. Retry bad Rob.. Retro by bard<BR>
Robert Brady                                        robb at datatone dot com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:47:27 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: Correlations<BR>
<BR>
Ethan Henry writes:<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>Anyway, a lot of interesting correlations between two pretty <BR>
>isolated behaviours have been proposed over the years. Causation<BR>
>is somewhat more nebulous in most cases.<BR>
<BR>
	Yup, and even the correlation itself can be dubious.  If<BR>
	you estimate 100 statistical correlations between various<BR>
	UNRELATED variables, you should expect to find 5 that are<BR>
	statistically significant correlations (using the standard<BR>
	methods).<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:56:36 -0600<BR>
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net><BR>
Subject: Sending Coke overseas (Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...)<BR>
<BR>
>How much does it cost to ship Coke overseas?<BR>
<BR>
The U.S. Postal Service will not ship narcotics or other intoxicants<BR>
overseas. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
More seriously: Six weeks ago it cost me $27.50 U.S. to send a 10.5 lb.<BR>
12-pack of Surge (a Coke product) to Germany via U.S. Mail parcel post<BR>
(i.e., container ship) from Indiana.<BR>
<BR>
UPSing it is ridiculous ($89 overnight).<BR>
<BR>
"Don't cover up for a cokeaholic."<BR>
<BR>
Ciao,<BR>
<BR>
Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
yikes@evansville.net<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:03:55 -0600<BR>
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net><BR>
Subject: [OT] Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
>>I appreciate the advice, but frankly I've heard such horror stories about<BR>
>>Win98 that I won't go near it.  I could have gotten it for my Dell system<BR>
>>but I practically begged them for Windows 95 (with which I am very<BR>
>>familiar).  I use Powerdesk98 for some of the things 98 gives you but with a<BR>
>>lot less overhead.<BR>
><BR>
>Whatever man, your choice....   I've had nothing but good luck with it...<BR>
<BR>
Ever since I installed Win'98 2nd ed., my computer at home freezes about 1<BR>
out of 8 times (on average) whenever I start an application. Eek. I'm used<BR>
to working on a Mac OS system at work though, so I'm used to it. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Ciao,<BR>
<BR>
Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
yikes@evansville.net<BR>
<BR>
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